OK, fun's over. You knew it couldn't last.
By end of this quarter I think we'll see a sustained drop to 7,000 on the Dow. At the end of 1Q things will start to get worse. That is because companies will be forced to reveal their 1Q results and it will not be pretty. It will be accompanied by more layoffs, especially from larger employers (*cough* ...automotive industry... *cough* *cough*).
In a previous post I predicted the bottom would be 5,000 and mentioned Howard K. had written that the bottom was 4,000. I still think the bottom will be around 5,000 but maybe a bit lower (4,500-5,000, leaning toward the 4,750-5,000 range). I have to admit that the current Dow level of under-7,500 is a surprise to me. I thought it would stay at or above 7,500 until the end of Feb. But it's true though to say that the current level is not yet sustained since it has only been there for the last 2 days, so I may be jumping the gun. Alas, my crystal ball is sometimes wrong (don't I know it!).
As for the Dow's further decline, what I think will happen is it will drop to 5,000 and then trading activity will stagnate like it did in the 1970s. Not a lot of trading, buying or selling, will happen, so values will stay the same. At the same time though inflation will have kicked in starting this summer when the banks that have horded all this gov't-generated Monopoly cash rush to lend it out of final acts of desperation to remain relevant. So the value of the USD will fall due to inflation but the prices of stock issues will stay the same. In short, cold comfort that those left holding these issues are "not losing money anyway". 'Tis an illusion. We're all going to be "losing money" when inflation kicks in this summer. When goods that cost $10 today cost $20 in November, that is effectively a loss of money.
As for timing, a sustained Dow level of 5,000 will probably hit by the end of this year, maybe as late as 1Q 2010, even as the Dow membership is likely to change due to Dow's own listing rules. (Some Dow listees are now below $5/share and they can't stay that way for long and still be on the Dow.) There it will remain until new companies or something else arises to stimulate stock trading. (I can't predict non-company-forming-like events that might affect this, sorry to say, such as political events, natural disasters, etc.) We may not see a return to reasonable trading activity until 2012. Some have speculated as far out as 2015 but I am not that pessimistic. I have faith that the people's memories are short and their hands are greedy. So, I feel it will send them back into the market earlier rather than later. But be forewarned, I wouldn't go buying now to "beat the rush". A lot of companies currently listed on the exchanges will not survive to see 2012, at least not without going private again and thus their public share values will fall to zero. And I have little faith the mutual fund managers have the wisdom to pick the survivors, too, so I'd think twice even before going that route.
Other things my $4.99 Halloween clearance sale crystal ball from Wal-Mart tells me is that precious metals like gold and silver will continue to appreciate but that the best way to hold these items is as bullion. The minting premium on gold and silver is higher than it has ever been since minting started in the US, especially on silver. The spot price of these metals also seems to be more volatile than the bullion price. This should tell you something-- that people have greater faith (ie, are generating greater demand) for the actual physical metal than they do for claims of right to it (which is what metals stocks and trust shares are). "Paper metals" as they are called are more volatile and require legal enforcement action if the issuers fail to produce. That's a lot to expect from a securities law enforcement apparatus that is already overburdened. So the greater faith is now found in possessing the actual metals. I see gold and silver being double their current value (which is already quite high) by 2010. I think silver is something of a maverick in that since it costs less than gold it is more likely to have a greater spike in demand but also a faster sell-off curve when the masses decide, for right or wrong, that it is safe to go back into the water. One cannot eat gold and silver nor live in it, so while metals are a good inflation hedge they tend not to hold their exacerbated inflation-created value for too long in fiat currency-dependent economic systems. Timing is king and when the time comes to sell metals, one shouldn't dawdle.
But these are "dangerous times", from a financial standpoint. Crystal balls are sometimes wrong. Each one of us has one. Sometimes we ask others what theirs say, but when it comes down to it, each of us has our own and must rely on it to guide us. As nerve-wracking as this all is for some of us, it beats wondering if we will live to see tomorrow's dawn. As Thomas Hobbes observed, man trades the insecurity found in the state of nature for the security found in civilization, but it comes at a price: unfettered liberty. Uncertainty about mere economic fortunes replaces uncertainty about personal physical well-being. All in all, this is a better deal.
By end of this quarter I think we'll see a sustained drop to 7,000 on the Dow. At the end of 1Q things will start to get worse. That is because companies will be forced to reveal their 1Q results and it will not be pretty. It will be accompanied by more layoffs, especially from larger employers (*cough* ...automotive industry... *cough* *cough*).
In a previous post I predicted the bottom would be 5,000 and mentioned Howard K. had written that the bottom was 4,000. I still think the bottom will be around 5,000 but maybe a bit lower (4,500-5,000, leaning toward the 4,750-5,000 range). I have to admit that the current Dow level of under-7,500 is a surprise to me. I thought it would stay at or above 7,500 until the end of Feb. But it's true though to say that the current level is not yet sustained since it has only been there for the last 2 days, so I may be jumping the gun. Alas, my crystal ball is sometimes wrong (don't I know it!).
As for the Dow's further decline, what I think will happen is it will drop to 5,000 and then trading activity will stagnate like it did in the 1970s. Not a lot of trading, buying or selling, will happen, so values will stay the same. At the same time though inflation will have kicked in starting this summer when the banks that have horded all this gov't-generated Monopoly cash rush to lend it out of final acts of desperation to remain relevant. So the value of the USD will fall due to inflation but the prices of stock issues will stay the same. In short, cold comfort that those left holding these issues are "not losing money anyway". 'Tis an illusion. We're all going to be "losing money" when inflation kicks in this summer. When goods that cost $10 today cost $20 in November, that is effectively a loss of money.
As for timing, a sustained Dow level of 5,000 will probably hit by the end of this year, maybe as late as 1Q 2010, even as the Dow membership is likely to change due to Dow's own listing rules. (Some Dow listees are now below $5/share and they can't stay that way for long and still be on the Dow.) There it will remain until new companies or something else arises to stimulate stock trading. (I can't predict non-company-forming-like events that might affect this, sorry to say, such as political events, natural disasters, etc.) We may not see a return to reasonable trading activity until 2012. Some have speculated as far out as 2015 but I am not that pessimistic. I have faith that the people's memories are short and their hands are greedy. So, I feel it will send them back into the market earlier rather than later. But be forewarned, I wouldn't go buying now to "beat the rush". A lot of companies currently listed on the exchanges will not survive to see 2012, at least not without going private again and thus their public share values will fall to zero. And I have little faith the mutual fund managers have the wisdom to pick the survivors, too, so I'd think twice even before going that route.
Other things my $4.99 Halloween clearance sale crystal ball from Wal-Mart tells me is that precious metals like gold and silver will continue to appreciate but that the best way to hold these items is as bullion. The minting premium on gold and silver is higher than it has ever been since minting started in the US, especially on silver. The spot price of these metals also seems to be more volatile than the bullion price. This should tell you something-- that people have greater faith (ie, are generating greater demand) for the actual physical metal than they do for claims of right to it (which is what metals stocks and trust shares are). "Paper metals" as they are called are more volatile and require legal enforcement action if the issuers fail to produce. That's a lot to expect from a securities law enforcement apparatus that is already overburdened. So the greater faith is now found in possessing the actual metals. I see gold and silver being double their current value (which is already quite high) by 2010. I think silver is something of a maverick in that since it costs less than gold it is more likely to have a greater spike in demand but also a faster sell-off curve when the masses decide, for right or wrong, that it is safe to go back into the water. One cannot eat gold and silver nor live in it, so while metals are a good inflation hedge they tend not to hold their exacerbated inflation-created value for too long in fiat currency-dependent economic systems. Timing is king and when the time comes to sell metals, one shouldn't dawdle.
But these are "dangerous times", from a financial standpoint. Crystal balls are sometimes wrong. Each one of us has one. Sometimes we ask others what theirs say, but when it comes down to it, each of us has our own and must rely on it to guide us. As nerve-wracking as this all is for some of us, it beats wondering if we will live to see tomorrow's dawn. As Thomas Hobbes observed, man trades the insecurity found in the state of nature for the security found in civilization, but it comes at a price: unfettered liberty. Uncertainty about mere economic fortunes replaces uncertainty about personal physical well-being. All in all, this is a better deal.